“What it meant to me will eventually be a memory of a time…but in the end it doesn’t even matter”
– Linkin Park, In The End
Were you ever on the receiving end of a “Turkey Dump?”
It is a cruel tradition for many Canadian University/College students: returning home for Thanksgiving in early October to see your high school sweetheart and hearing the ominous four words, “we need to talk…”
I will forever associate Linkin Park`s In The End with the fall of 2001, when a friend of mine & I found ourselves as Turkey Dumpees. Though in my case, I didn`t even make it to Thanksgiving, so I suppose I was just a run-of-the-mill dumpee!
Upon our return to school, he would play In The End frequently, finding the line, “In the end it doesn’t even matter,” all too relatable.
However, this memory of young heartbreak, which I assumed would have been a painful memory, has curiously become one that draws a smile rather than a tear.
Naturally, I have a theory or two as to why such an unpleasant experience has somehow morphed into a fond memory.
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Theory #1: “What it meant to me will eventually be a memory of a time”
I didn’t really like Linkin Park in the early 2000s. While I usually applaud the double-lead singer format (Blue Rodeo, Great Big Sea, old Barenaked Ladies), the rap/scream alternating vocals here felt formulaic.
As a math enthusiast, I generally embrace formulas, with the glaring exception of formulaic song-writing. No thanks. I think the ‘k’ in the band name also offended me, feeling a bit too ‘of the times,’ a bit too ‘in step’ with contemporaries like Korn and Limp Bizkit.
Which means 16 years after its release, mathematics would dictate that I should find even less to like on Hybrid Theory. Yet throughout, I found myself smiling…
…and it just doesn’t add up, left side ≠ right side.
Until I realized that how I felt about Linkin Park in the early 2000s is immaterial; in the end, it doesn’t even matter.
Or to borrow another line, “what it meant to me will eventually be a memory of a time.”
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Theory #2: Tragedy + Time = Comedy
I didn’t write the equation (there’s a neat look into the etymology of the equation on quoteinvestigator.com) but it’s a life-affirming notion, that eventually all hardships will become amusing, given enough time.
When I add this key variable of ‘Time’ to the Linkin Park music & memories that I once considered tragic…
… the math checks out, left side = right side.
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But what of our protagonists, the unfortunate (and unfortunately named) Turkey Dumpees?
Good news: they both married wonderful partners, have awesome kids, and are generally regarded as productive members of society!
As for Linkin Park, is Hybrid Theory actually any good?
Well, that depends. The more important question may be, how long has it been since you last heard it?
In the end, if my theories (or a hybrid of the two theories 🙂 ) are remotely accurate, it may not even matter.
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I only got dumped once and it only lasted for a few days. My girlfriend ( now wife) could barely go a few days without me.
As for a turkey dump, the best one was Les Nessman on WKRP.
“As God is my witness. I thought turkeys could fly.”
I am not really into Nu Metal but I have this one as a 2 cd set. I haven’t listened to it a ton, but didn’t hate it. Maybe it needs some math formulas.
I liked listening to One Step Closer thinking about my old boss.
Just re-read the lyrics – “shut up when I’m talking to you” – sounds like that old boss isn’t missed too much!
Nu Metal’s not really my scene either, I think math can only help its appeal!
After the downfall of grunge, bands took on a form of metal that was a hybrid of alternative, metal, grunge, and sometimes funk and hip hop.
The biggest acts were 311, Chevelle, Godsmack, Korn, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Papa Roach, P.O.D., Slipknot etc.
The late 90’s and early 2000’s era was the peak of the popularity of this style. Since then some of the bands that were considered Nu Metal have moved on from this style of music.
Use of the word metal in the title irks metal fans. Most metal fans absolutely hate Nu Metal, and do not consider it in the metal genre.
Yeah, one of those albums I imagine is here for ‘significance’ (apparently the best selling debut album of the 21st Century) rather than being inherently awesome.
I find that hard to believe. I mean, you know stats. I once heard someone say that out there somewhere is an accountant who can prove to you that the film Forrest Gump lost money…
An accounting prof in university confirmed that for me – instead of finding the net income for a company, the accountants could ask, “what do you want the net income to be?” – and depending on what you wanted to claim that year/carryforward, legal games could be played
I could see that working – they tend to have the big choruses that would lend themselves nicely to the big screen.
Perhaps they’re part of the reason why Michael Bay gets to keep on making movies!
Strangely enough I was thinking about this lot earlier thanks to a chat on facebox with Mike over the latest Stone Temple Pilots rumours.
Anyhoo, never my thing. Linking Park or Nu Metal. Probably have their place, but it’s just not for me… a bit to repetitive and predictably angry for my liking.
I’m surprised they’re even on the list! Considering how every self-respecting music lover (i.e. every music lover) seems to despise them. I confess I listened to those albums a lot at the time (incidentally, sometimes whilst doing maths). It just meant something at that age. But, it got stale, too many people liked it, blah, blah, blah. They got dumped for other bands that would similarly make me feel embarrassed now! I never understood what was the hybrid theory though…
If I listen to them now, I think I’d be smiley and angsty too!
Oh it’s funny going through those mixtapes and old albums from our youth – sometimes, give our former selves a high-five for great taste, others, wonder what we were thinking!
And listening to music while doing maths? That will always draw a smile from me Amrita!
I see you’ve already had the conversation about watered-down Nu Metal 🙂 Just hearing the names of some of those bads….Korn, Linkin’ Park, etc – definitely takes me back to a time in my life where their songs were overplayed on the radio.
College was fun, even if some of the music was meh.
It’s funny how that ‘meh’ music at the time is appealing to me more now.
My dad plays at retirement residences and I bet most of the seniors wouldn’t have liked all the songs when they were released – but because the songs now conjure the memories associated with them, they become special to hear.
So who knows, I may even catch myself nostalgically singing along with some of those Nu Metal songs when performers come into my retirement residence in a few decades!
Not all of it was bad. I actually like Incubus a lot. It just all sounded the same and they played the same songs over and over….I guess it’s easier to appreciate a Linkin Park song now because I haven’t just sat through a string of Limp Bizkit and Staind songs.
I was the dumpster 99.9% of the time.
I only got dumped once and it only lasted for a few days. My girlfriend ( now wife) could barely go a few days without me.
As for a turkey dump, the best one was Les Nessman on WKRP.
“As God is my witness. I thought turkeys could fly.”
I am not really into Nu Metal but I have this one as a 2 cd set. I haven’t listened to it a ton, but didn’t hate it. Maybe it needs some math formulas.
I liked listening to One Step Closer thinking about my old boss.
Just re-read the lyrics – “shut up when I’m talking to you” – sounds like that old boss isn’t missed too much!
Nu Metal’s not really my scene either, I think math can only help its appeal!
Not missed at all. Math can cure all that ails.
‘math can cure all ails’ – I may have to make that a motivational poster in my classroom!
Nu Metal? First I’ve heard the term and although I have a sense of the meaning, would you define and enlighten please?
After the downfall of grunge, bands took on a form of metal that was a hybrid of alternative, metal, grunge, and sometimes funk and hip hop.
The biggest acts were 311, Chevelle, Godsmack, Korn, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Papa Roach, P.O.D., Slipknot etc.
The late 90’s and early 2000’s era was the peak of the popularity of this style. Since then some of the bands that were considered Nu Metal have moved on from this style of music.
Use of the word metal in the title irks metal fans. Most metal fans absolutely hate Nu Metal, and do not consider it in the metal genre.
I think you’ll find Bop’s definition most enlightening!
Never cared for Linkin Park. Am actually surprised they made the list.
Also, this is #491. Only 600 more to go!
Yeah, one of those albums I imagine is here for ‘significance’ (apparently the best selling debut album of the 21st Century) rather than being inherently awesome.
Is that right? Wow! I didn’t know this… does it still hold that record?
According to the internet, so it’s gotta be true 😉
I find that hard to believe. I mean, you know stats. I once heard someone say that out there somewhere is an accountant who can prove to you that the film Forrest Gump lost money…
An accounting prof in university confirmed that for me – instead of finding the net income for a company, the accountants could ask, “what do you want the net income to be?” – and depending on what you wanted to claim that year/carryforward, legal games could be played
That stuff makes me tired. I’m so binary when it comes to that stuff that people looking for loopholes and massaging numbers hurts my brain.
Double lead singer bands are the best!
…but I’m not really an LP fan. I find their music pleasant enough. They are more of a Jen band.
I probably won’t delve too much deeper into the LP catalogue – they definitely have a ‘sound.’
I get lots of LP via the Transformers movies. I think they do a track on every movie! Good tracks, great for an action summer blockbuster.
I could see that working – they tend to have the big choruses that would lend themselves nicely to the big screen.
Perhaps they’re part of the reason why Michael Bay gets to keep on making movies!
Yes! Exactly! The big chorus on the big screen. That’s what the connection is.
And perhaps they are! The truth is that Linkin Park are huge Transformers fans. Here is the proof. Check THIS baby out.
https://mikeladano.com/2013/06/29/gallery-transformers-soundwave-linkin-park-edition/
Ok, what’s a Jen band?
My wife liked those angry alt-rock bands like Linkin Park and P.O.D. I never could get into that angst-y stuff.
Oh the late 90’s early 2000’s. Such a wonderful time for music. We had a varied selection of either Nickelback, Creed, Nu Metal or Eminem
I think it was Mike who introduced me to the term, Theory of a Nickelcreed, sums up the era nicely!
Turkey Dumpees! I love it! Not the tragedy and heartbreak, of course, but the term conjures up all kinds of storylines….
I think the clever name helps soften the blow of being dismissed by a significant other, on a holiday no less!
Haha Turkey Dump! Now I’ve learned a thing! Although, if you hadn’t explained the meaning I’d have assumed it was something more… toilety.
I thought it best to avoid any restroom misinterpretations!
Great Post! Man your Math work is Crazee Good….could have used you 30 years ago as a COOL Teacher…..
Strangely enough I was thinking about this lot earlier thanks to a chat on facebox with Mike over the latest Stone Temple Pilots rumours.
Anyhoo, never my thing. Linking Park or Nu Metal. Probably have their place, but it’s just not for me… a bit to repetitive and predictably angry for my liking.
Everything you say to Chester takes him one step closer to the edge, and he’s about to break.
… I’m likely needing to Google this for verification, but these are song lyrics?
So STP named a singer. Oh wait, no they didn’t.
I’m gonna invite them to form Jim Dead Temple Pilots. It’d be less of a train wreck than this whole Stone Temple Pop Idol thing they’re doing…
I’d listen to that – or the even chattier Jim Dead & The Doubters featuring the Stone Temple Pilot Pop Idols!
How about JDTP.
The first album could have Beavis and Butthead asking “Do you have JDTP?
“… for my bunghole”.
Stone Temple Pop Idol will definitely be for the bunghole.
Or at least I suspect it will be.
They mightncall it Stone Temple Pilot Pilot Project
There was a joke making the rounds at one point, “I like that Eminem song where he’s yelling”
The same could be said here, “I like that LP song where the verses rap & the chorus has angry yelling!”
Ha! I think I might use this next time either of these crop up in conversation!
That big statue/tower thing in the video looks like a big penis. That’s my contribution.
The early versions were called Phallic It Up.
Mwah-haha.
And the discussion wouldn’t be the same without it!
I’m surprised they’re even on the list! Considering how every self-respecting music lover (i.e. every music lover) seems to despise them. I confess I listened to those albums a lot at the time (incidentally, sometimes whilst doing maths). It just meant something at that age. But, it got stale, too many people liked it, blah, blah, blah. They got dumped for other bands that would similarly make me feel embarrassed now! I never understood what was the hybrid theory though…
If I listen to them now, I think I’d be smiley and angsty too!
Oh it’s funny going through those mixtapes and old albums from our youth – sometimes, give our former selves a high-five for great taste, others, wonder what we were thinking!
And listening to music while doing maths? That will always draw a smile from me Amrita!
I mostly cringe at my taste then! Oh wait, I had no taste. I desperately absorbed whatever came my way.
I see you’ve already had the conversation about watered-down Nu Metal 🙂 Just hearing the names of some of those bads….Korn, Linkin’ Park, etc – definitely takes me back to a time in my life where their songs were overplayed on the radio.
College was fun, even if some of the music was meh.
It’s funny how that ‘meh’ music at the time is appealing to me more now.
My dad plays at retirement residences and I bet most of the seniors wouldn’t have liked all the songs when they were released – but because the songs now conjure the memories associated with them, they become special to hear.
So who knows, I may even catch myself nostalgically singing along with some of those Nu Metal songs when performers come into my retirement residence in a few decades!
Not all of it was bad. I actually like Incubus a lot. It just all sounded the same and they played the same songs over and over….I guess it’s easier to appreciate a Linkin Park song now because I haven’t just sat through a string of Limp Bizkit and Staind songs.
Make Yourself is on the 1001 list – I approved! And I think there was a Limp Bizkit featuring Staind or vice versa, either way, it was inescapable!